Dear Anja;
Here is the breaking news for today:
Last night the Israeli ministry of defence and the Israeli Defence Forces
official speaker announced that the IDF has destroyed a Palestinian Military
Academy in Jabalia. They said that this Academy is for the Palestinian
armed troops where they learn who to attack ennocent Israelis and commit
suicide bombing. The were very successful and congratualte themselves for
the success of destroying this Academy and considered it a military winning.
So, what I want the world to know is that, this military academy is a
children kindergarten in Jabalia where about 500 children study there. They
wanted to show the wepons that those children are using and it was very
simple. Little notebooks, painting books and toys. They are not allowed to
study, play or even live. The little children said this morning, Bye bye
our kindergarten and they sweared to love the Israelis till the love heats
them. How is it possible to raise those children to be nonviolent and look
for peace with the Israelis (it is a question for the people who blame us).
Thanks Anja
Ramadan
yes, the Israelis are very proud of themselves, and the world stay quiet. the world wants to believe that it was a military academy, so they can wash their hands in innocent, they don’t have to feel responsible.
ramadan, please, tell these things, so the world can’t say anymore ‘we didn’t know”.
in solidarity
ramadan you ask for responding in english. I am almost ashamed to translate for you. mr. Rudy blame you for using propaganda, and according to him your story is not true. i wish mr. Rudy one week holiday in gaza, just one week, I am sure that Ramadan woud like to welcome him,and show him some Palestinian hospitality. And then Ramadan, go out for a trip with Mr. rudy to beit Hanun and Yabalya, and let him sleep there for one or two nights.But mr. Rudy will never do it, becaue ‘palestinians are killing Jews, this is what he would like to believe. meanwhile he thinks htat he knows everything beter then you.
it is better not to respond to these guys, a discussion is not possible, so why to spend energy.
Anja, I’m well aware of your point of view regarding (not) removing reactions. But wouldn’t it be an option to just erase all off-topic yelling and cursing reactions in Dutch on your English postings?
You’re trying to facilitate a sensible discussion with someone who can’t read Dutch, that’s a very good thing to do. If some people are obviously just willing to anonymously express their fixed and non-debatable opinions and prevent or obstruct a real exchange of views by expressing themselves in Dutch, then I think it’s legitimate to remove those reactions.
It’s very clear that someone like Rudy never experienced a war or anything like it. You can’t blame him for that, but I blame him for not even having the will to try to imagine what effects a war has on people. He’s yelling out his ‘statements’ as a totally ignorant outsider. It makes me worry on which or whose side Rudy would be if a war would ever come his way. I’m afraid that he won’t belong to the (minority-)group of people who will continue to promote peacefull solutions, a group that will continue to critisise the us-them way of thinking, a group of people who continue to see humanity and nuances even in a war. Rudy will not be part of that group. Even in peacetime Rudy is mostly busy blaming people on one side of the conflict for causing the war. He is not able to remember that where two people fight, two people are to blame (litteral translation of a Dutch proverb). I would like to add that where two parties fight, many more people on both sides are their innocent victims. I condemn both fighting parties as soon as they do more then immediate and proportional self-defence. And I feel pity for all their powerless victims on both sides.
I know from my own experiences during the war in Bosnia how extremely difficult it is to continue to work for peace and not see ’the enemy’ in everyone who, by chance, belongs to ’the other’ group. I was an outsider in Bosnia, for me it was much easier to do than for the collected peace-activists from former-Yugoslavia, and still I was shocked when I encountered the ‘bad’ side (Serbs in this case) for the first time. The people I saw there and then, the ordinary Serbs, were victims of the war just like the ordinary Croats or Bosnians. I knew this and still it shocked me. Even I, as a critical outsider, was slightly infected with the virus of hate which had troubled my view.
I have a great admiration for people who succeed in resisting the hate that easily catches you when you, against your will, are dragged into an armed conflict.
It would suit everyone who’s not part of a conflict to appreciate the efforts of people trying to resolve this conflict they’ve never asked for, whilst in the mid of it(!), while it is so much easier to ‘fall down’ into hate.
Ask yourself if you want to help stopping a war or let it last.
If you want it to last, get lost and f*ck yourself, you don’t belong to be on this website.
If you do want to stop this war, ask yourself if just blaming one or other party is going to help bring this war to an end.
And once you’ve started thinking, you might give a minute of your time to the question on which side you would be if war came to you. This implies that you (for once?) look to yourself in the mirror and ask yourself some really critical questions.
Wie de schoen past, trekke hem aan. (He who is adressed, feel adressed.)
Dear Ramadan,
I hope that this reaction may help to have a real exchange of views the next time you bring something to this site.
I wish you strength, courage and wisdom in your efforts to end and solve this conflict fast and in a peacefull way.
May peace be with you and your beloved ones.
Sincere regards,
Iwan
Iwan, you are right, so I started by deleting the Dutch messages on this track. I have to rethink my principles about removing or not removing comments, there is too much dirt and I’m getting totally fed up with the same people dominating the discussion all the time.
Thanks for your comment.
Iwan;
Actually, I love it the way of you reacted to the subject. Really, it is nice the way you put it and think about it. I hope that many people could logically look to the fight here in the way that you did. This will help alot in supporting the peace forces and empowers it. People like you could very much help us and give us the chance to speak loudly. Thank you very much and may pease be with you too.